Tuesday, 28 February 2012

#SiriBhuvalaya [#Siribhoovalaya] - Highly Alpha-Numeric Maths in Kannada


SiriBhuvalaya / Siribhoovalaya [ಸಿರಿಭೂವಲಯ / सिरिभूवलय] is a Grantha reformed by Kumudendu Muni near 1275 A.D. His Guru Parampara is like this: " Prathama Ganadhara, Vrushabha Sena, Kesari Sena, Vajra Chamara, Charu Sena, Vajra Sena, Adatta Sena, Jalaja Sena, Datta Sena, Vidarbha Sena, Naaga Sena, Kunthu Sena, Dharma Sena, Mandara Sena, Jaya Sena, Saddharma Sena, Chakra Bandha, Swayambhoo Sena, Kumbha Sena, Vishaala Sena, Malli Sena, Soma Sena, Varadatta Muni, SwayampraBharati, IndraBhuti Vipra 24 mainly", then "Vayu Bhuti, Agni Bhuti, Sudharma Sena, Arya Sena, Mundi Putra, Maitreyi Sena, Akampana Sena, Andhara Guru", lastly "PrabhaavaSena named HaraShivaShankara Ganitajna" who wins Vaakhyartha Gosti in Vaaranasi and creates an epic named "Paahuda" & gets the Ganadhara award. He says his Vamshavali as "Sena Guna - Jnatavamsha - Saddharma Gotra - Shri Vrushabha Sutra - Drvyaanga ShaaKe - Ikshwaaku Vamsha".

Being from a Jaina tradition he proudly announces that starting from Adi Teerthankara VrushabhaDeva's Ganadhara named "Vrushabha Sena", all Ganadharas are "Kannadigaas". There was a thought that collective information of Divya Vaanis from all the Teerthankara's should be available for all. On rigorous analysis, they found that only Kannada has the power to encode those Divya Vaani! He quotes it as "SarvaBhaashamayee Karmaata Kavya".


History of Siribhoovalaya

Adi Teerthankara Vrushabha had two daughters. At the time of his liberation from the worldly body, gives Sakala Saamraajya to his elder wife Yashaswati's son 'Bharata' and Paudanapura to younger wife's son 'Gommata'. Then daughters ask to give some gift which remains permanently. Vrushabha Teerthankara envisions their Karma and decides to give the ultimate knowledge source to them. Then he makes his elder daughter "Brahmi" to sit on his left lap, from his right thumb on her left palm writes the 16 swaraksharas, 9 x 3 Hraswa, Deergha, Pluta Swaras = 27, 25 Vargeeya Vyanjanaaksharas, 8 Avargeeya Vyanjanaaksharas, 4 Ayogovaaha's; totally 64 Aksharas in Kannada Varnamaala and announces that this will be famous by her name "Brahmi". He blesses that for all the languages these are sufficient.

Another daughter named "Sundhari" was made to sit on his right lap, from his left thumb, on her right palm writes the Bindhu "0", dividing it by two diagonal bisectors, expands it to numerals from 1-9, recombines all to "0", integrates them to show it as "1". These numerals when written according to a special sequence, it is enough to count the atom and interatomic particles of this Universe. He says to Sundhari that these Numerals (Ankas) are also Aksharas. To avoid distinctions among the daughters he gives a proof that Brahmi's Aksharas are Sundhari's Ankas and vice versa. All groups of shabdas, individual Dwanis, converting individual Dwanis to Akshara Sanjnyas and creates the matrices of numerals called "Chakra Bandha" and recalls its name as "Samasta Shabdaagama Shastra".

This knowledge was known to Gommata but not to Bharata. For Kingdom, there was a clash between brothers which lead to 8 wars in which Gommata wins. But he gets Vairagya, enlightened by the Dharmic thought that ruling the elder brother's kingdom is Adharmic & doesn't suit to the pride of his family and leaves his whole kingdom to Bharata. Then Bharata also confesses for his mistakes and requests Gommata to enlighten him with Jnana. Mokshagaami Bahubali was sacrificial in nature. So he had already left 3 among 'Aahara, Abhaya, Bhaishajya & Shastra' and thought that let him gift the Shastra to Bharata. All these took place in the war field and there itself within approximately 46 minutes, Gommata creates this Numerical Poetry having ultimate knowledge. Encodes this in a chakra having 51025000 + 5000 = 51030000 Dalas, Ankas, Aksharas. This is also called as "Karana Sutra" in Jaina Puranas.

Gowtama Gunadhara first divides Bhuvalaya into 12 parts called "Dwadashanga Veda". Normally Jain Historians predict Mahaveera's age as 2479 B.C. So this can be at least 5000 years old, which validates the existence of Kannada before that.

It is there in the discussion that after Mahaveera, Buddha deva's rule and a person named "NiggaThanaata putta" and Bauddha Granthas prescribe him as 'Naatha Putra Mahaveera'. By the summery of a lot of discussions among historians and references from our Gurus from Naatha Parampara, I would predict that Jainism has evolved from Naatha Sampradaaya. Unlike now, Naathas were the pure followers of Veda. So a Natha Guru said to me that existing SiriBhuvalaya is just the outlier of the whole work. All are selfish enough to misuse it just for their worldly affairs and may lead to the destruction of the world. So most of the work has been lost inside the dimensions of Nature.

Kumudendu lived in Yalavalli near Bengaluru. Now the available copy of literature is from a place called Doddabele which is 20 Km from Yalavalli. It is in between Bengaluru-Tumkuru. There was a Vidwamsa named Dharanendra Pandit who read Bhuvalaya's shlokas just by reading the numerals. From Bhuvalaya he was explaining Vaidya, Jyotisha, Ganita, Loha Shastra, Anu Shastra, Tatva Shastra, Bhaasha Shastra, etc., to the people. Also installed a laboratory for the same in Bengaluru at that time. He died in 1918, after which his relative Sri Yellappa Shastry got the Bandara of Bhuvalaya. Even though he faced the problems of poverty, he fought for SiriBhuvalaya and made it famous among a lot of scholars, researchers and got appreciation from Rastrapati Sri Babu Rajendraprasad also. Sri Yellappa Shastry found decoding sequence in Kannada, Prakruta, Samskruta, Ardha Maagadhi, Paali, Shoora Seni, Laada, Telugu, Tamil, etc., So he is called as Gunadhara of Kumadendu Muni.

Importance of Siribhuvalaya as a Literature

Siribhuvalaya's system of "Ankaakshara Ganita" has the power to behold of all the languages encoded in it. In this Bhuvalaya kaavya, under 3 interlinked series of Prakruta, Samskruta, Kannada, all the other Bhaashas could be bound together like a garland that has the fragrance of all the Bhaasha named flowers; just in a thread named "Kannada". There emerge at least 718 Bhaashas from this. 

Sarvabhaashamayi Karmata mainly has "Karnaata, Maagadha, Maalava, Laata, Gowda, Gurjara" these 6 x 3 = 18 Main Bhaashas named "Brahmi, Yavana, Uparikaa, Varaatikaa, VajeeKassavikaa, Prabhaaraatrikaa, Ucchataarikaa, Pustikaa, Bhoogayavatta, Vedanatikaa, Nihantikaa, Anka, Ganita, Gaandarva, Adarsha, Maheshwari, Damaa, Bolidi". 

Among 718 Bhaashas under Karmaata, he lists so many languages like Prakruta, Samskruta, Dravida, Andra, Mahaarastra, Malayaala, Gurajara, Anga, Kalinga, Kaashmeera, Kaambhoja, Hammira, Shauraseni, Vaali, TEbati, Vangi, Vanga, Brahmi, Vijayaardha, Padma, Vaidarbhya, Vaishali, Saurastra, Kharostri, Nirostra, Apabhramshika, Paishachika, Raktaakshara, Arista, Ardhamaagadhi, etc., 

Also has "Arasa, Paarasa, Saaraswata, Baarasa, Vasha, Maalava, Laata, Gowda, Maagadha, Vihaara, Utkala, Kanyakubja, Varaaha, Vaisharamana, Vedaanta, Chitrakaara " and also vivid Bhaashas like "Yakshi, Raakshasi, Hamsa, Bhoota, Oohiyaa, Yavanaani, Turki, Dramila, Saindhava, MaalavaNeeya, Keeriya, Devanaagari, Laada, Paarashi, Amittika, Chaanaakya, Mooladevi etc., In a base 9 system of sequence of Kannada everything is encoded!!

Siribhuvalaya: A Sample Input Matrix called as Chakra in Siribhuvalaya [Self Coded]


SiriBhoovalaya's Bhaasha, Bandha & Chandas

Kumudendu quotes that he had started encoding words of Mahaveera in South-Northern or old & new styles of Kannada. A reference of the same has been made by his Shishya was Amoghavarsha Nrupatunga who is the author of "Kaviraaja Marga" noted to be oldest Kannada epic. He had taken all the care such that even though its made from Kannada, it spans all the languages. This Kavya with 'Taala, & Laya' commutes 6000 Sutras in 6 Lakh Shlokas.

Kumudendu uses a Chandas called "ChattaNa" (ChatuSthana) having 4 divisions usually found in Kannada as "Saangatyas". After 12th Adhyaya, he had used a variation called "BedanDe" having inner poetry series in the form of "Dandaka" which was used in Prose Literature before Nrupatunga. Also, experts say that it may have Tripadi Ragale" also.

Bandha is a particular series of encoding one subject inside the other. To impose these 718 Bhaashas inside Kannada, he uses several Bandhas. In Shreni Bandha it decodes in Kannada. If one reads these from top to bottom, it produces Prakruta Kavya. If read from 27th Akshara downwards, it gives Samskruta Kavya. Similarly, according to the viewpoint, it generates kavyas in different languages. Poet names some of the Bhandas like: "Chakra, Hamsa, Padma, Shuddha, Navamaaka, Vara Padma, Maha Padma, Dweepa, Saagara, Palya, Ambu, Sarasa, Shalaaka, Shreni, Anka, Loka, Romakupa, Krouncha, Mayura, Seemateeta, Kaamanapada Padma, NaKha, Seemateeta Lekhkha, etc., "


Siribhoovalaya: A Sample Path Matrix called as a Chakra Bandha in Siribhuvalaya [Self Coded]


SiriBhuvalaya in Dharmic View

Ruk spoken by Manuja, Divija & Danujas |
Go BramaNeBhyaha Shubamastu | Jina Dharma Siddhirastu ||
3 Pearls named Adi Adwaita, Dwitiya Dwaita, Aneekaanta in Truteeya Dwaitaadwaita in Anka |
Gives a calculation and says '0' for Brahmi, then some "Yasha" named Anka for Rigveda, how to achieve Adwaita Dharmaikhya among different Shastras ||

He astonishes by his & his team member's Vidwat in a Bedende:-
"Tarka, Vyakaranakar, Chandassu, Nighantu, Alankaara, Kavya dharar, Naataka Astangar | Ganita Jyotishkar, Sakala Shastrigal, Vidhyadi Sampannar, Great experiences like ever flowing River, In that Loka trayaagrar, Gaarava Virodhar, Sakala Mahii Mandalaacharyar, Tharkika Chakravarti, Sadvidhya Chaturmukhar, ShatTar kaVinodar, Naiyyayika Vaadipar, in that Vaisheeshikavam, BhaaShya Prabhaakararu, Meemansa Vidhyadhararu, Saamudrika Bhuvalayar"
He also astonishes by saying that he had encoded whole Bagavadgeeta from old Bharata named JayaKhyana, which is assumed to be lost in modern times. A reference to the same reads as:
अथ व्यास मुनीन्द्रोपदिष्ट जयाख्यानान्तर्गत गीता द्वितीयोध्यायः ||
It is said that Geeta was said by Nemi to Krishna and then to Arjuna which has all philosophical formulas.

Existence of SiriBhoovalaya

There are different Agamas in Sanatana Bharatha. "ShatKhandaagama" is one among them. It is considered as the base of Jaina Agamas (84) as listed by Kumudendu. Summary of this agama is presented in SiriBhuvalaya. As for as the name is concerned, his place was "Yalava Bhu" reverse of which is Bhuvalaya. An available copy has 56 Adhayas. 1-64 numerals are coded for 64 letters of Kannada. Then all the numerals were filled according to a pattern in a 27 x 27 = 729 Celled matrix called Chakras. Out of 16000, 1270 chakras are remaining.

Siribhoovalaya: Akshara Bandha, the alphabetic matrix substituted for the above input matrix. [Excerpt from my Intermediate Analysis]


Conclusion

The work is, indeed, an encyclopedia in its own way. He who plans such an encyclopedia has first himself to be the treasure house of information and knowledge. He needs to be endowed with a computer like a brain. He must have the gift of a superb orderly mind. He has to be creative and needs the boon of a powerful imagination. And, even if the enterprising genius is adequately endowed in all these ways, what immense patience and effort do such a work demand! In terms of time, effort and energy, this must have been a most taxing endeavor. We feel both admiration and gratitude when we realize the magnitude and the complexity of the task that Kumudendu Muni undertook.

Kannadigas, I am not the marketing or advertising the book. It is really worth to have such a great epic in your personal library. Who knows, your child or grandchild or anyone blessed with great mind structure could Decipher it and unleash the knowledge to the world.

Some of the Excerpts from SiriBhoovalaya


Siribhuvalaya: Sample Decoding of Poetry from an Alphabetical Matrix

Siribhuvalaya: A snapshot of the software interface being developed elsewhere. This link is not working. This software is fake. No pictorial pattern is applicable to Siribhoovalaya.

Siribhoovalaya: Sample Kannada Poems originated by reading the Akshara Bandha according to Chakra Bandha Sutra.

References: Siribhoovalaya by PustakaShakti Publications.

Note:- After years of research, it has been found that the Siribhoovalaya by PustakaShakti Publications has a lot of errors and issues with respect to the explanation given in it. So readers and researchers are advised to be careful with the books by this publisher. 

In contrary, good introductions and elaborations are done by Sudharthyji from Hassan in his 11 books covering around 4000 pages of literature.


- Hemanth Kumar G

35 comments:

  1. Nice Article Hemanth! on SiriBhoovalaya.
    Where can I get a copy of this book.

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    1. Thank you. It's from Pustaka Prakaashana, Bangalore. May be available in leading book stalls also.

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  2. hello sir how to get this book i want this book can u plz tell me how to i purchase

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    1. Contact Sudharthi, Hassan. Mob: 9449946280

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    2. There are 2 major mistakes in the blog.
      1. Jain historians have not predicted 2479 BC as the age of Mahavira . His period is about 600 BC.
      2. Jainism has not evolved from natha parmapara. The first tirthankara Rishabha and 19 more all belong to Ikshvankshu lineage. Jainsim has not been founded by any body . In the present era Bhagvan Rishbha was the first Jina or tirthankara , who explained what the universe is. The universe is uncreated and can not be perished by any body. However , it is subject to changes.

      The quotation from the book starting with 3 pearls is not correct,
      It should read 3 jewels viz. 1. adwaita 2. dwaita.emanka 3. Anekantavene dwaitaadvaitava hitadi sadhisida jainanka. ( Siri bhuvalaya Part 1, chapter 6. verse 80 )

      The book by Sudharthi does not contain any original verses from chapters 1to 33 . His interpretations are not correct, because he has not read any Jain scriptures , nor does he know Sanskrit and Prakrit. The first 14 chapters have been translated in Hindi with explanation by a Jain muni, which is the only authentic version

      Ajith K Benadi

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    3. First of all I thank you for reading and identifying mistakes from your point of view. Let me try to put forward my views on your comments.

      1. Age of Mahavira can't be 600 B.C. because writing of Siribhuvalaya was initiated by Kumudendu Muni atleast 3500 years ago. Siribhuvalaya has been derived from Shatkhandaagama Bhaashya in Paali by Gorakshanaat's disciple ViDuratha around 26,000 years before. This is authentic. We don't believe in history manipulated by foreign invaders on India.

      2. I don't know whether you are aware of original Naatha Paramparaa or not. It is purely derived from Vedas. If Jaina is not a part of Naatha, why there are Naath prefixes in Jaina tradition? Why there are rituals & mantras that were there in Naatha Sampradaaya which is the Anaadi one? Vrushabha Deva was none other than Amsha of Shiva. Kumudendu Muni has undoubtedly proved that Rigveda is basis of everything in this world.

      There is no discrimination such as Jaina, Vaishnava, Shaiva, etc., among highly evolved souls like Kumudendu Muni.

      "Ratuna or Ratna" is the word used in Siri bhuvalaya Part 1, chapter 6. verse 80. For your kind information, it is not written in English. First of all writing about Indian literature in non sense language like English itself is a sin. But what to do, there are several humble people in this world who strive for knowledge but ignorant of Indian language. So nearest word has been equated during translation. I admit your mention of jewel as the proper word suited there. But Ratna is an adjective here. Check the Sanskrit dictionaries, to know that Pearl is also equated to word Ratna. So it not a wrong word.

      When there is already a book published by Sarvaartha Siddhi Sangha, Bangalore in 1953 for the chapters from 1 to 33 chapters, why to plagiarize again?

      I think you have some personal grudge or jealous on Sudharthi's hard work based book publications. I knew him personally. He is not a money minded person like others, in the same field. His interpretations are better than that of any other's that I have witnessed till. Can you give me your measurement criteria for Sudharthi's knowledge about Samskruta or Prakruta? Don't ever under estimate anybody, that is not a good sign of human being. Have you witnessed Sudharthi 24x7 from his birth till this second? If so your claim that he has not read Jaina scriptures could be valid only after providing such a proof. Don't do baseless arguments here.

      I have not seen the Hindi book mentioned by you. If you have a copy of the same, you can share it with me. I am ready to purchase it. But your claim that "is the only authentic version" cannot be accepted. Translation is based on person's knowledge, region, opinions, etc.,

      ಈ ಕ್ಷುಲ್ಲಕ ವಾದ-ವಿವಾದಗಳನ್ನು ಬಿಟ್ಟು ಕುಮುದೇಂದುವಿನ ಆಶಯದಂತೆ ಸರಿಯಾಗಿ ಅಧ್ಯಯನ ಮಾಡಿ ಅರಿಹಂತರಾಗಿರಿ (ಅರಿ = ಷಡ್ವೈರಿಗಳು) ಸಿರಿಯನ್ನು ಪಡೆಯಿರೆಂದು ಹಾರೈಸುತ್ತೇನೆ.

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  3. Sir i think this book if properly deciphered could throw light on the developments in the world of philosophy medicine metallurgy metaphysics and what not apart from numerous languages and the great litereary works in them this could be the greatest discovery of this world i feel proud as a kannadiga i think the govt should take up this a scientific project and place before the world about Karnaataka's and india's greatness

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    1. Yes sir. Mr. Sudarthy from Hassan has already published around 3000 pages of literature from available 59 Adhyaayaas of first Khanda. That is the culmination of his 28 years of sincere efforts. After studying Siribhoolaya, no doubt remain that Kannada is the oldest and richest language after Brahmi. Real, unbiased, honest, spiritual and scientific mindset scholars can only take up its work. Selfish and money oriented or name & fame oriented Scholars or Government is not interested in these kinds of work as it won't generate any revenue for them. But I am sure that Siribhuvalaya, the kaalaatita kaavya will open its path only at right time and for right people.

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  4. Hi I need this Kannada book plz let me know where its available. I tryed many book stall

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    1. Please contact Sri Sudharthy from Hassan. Mob: 9449946280

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  5. siribhoovalaya is a jain work by kumudendu muni a jain monk of yapaniya sampradaya. it has nothing to do with vedic thoughts its purely a shramana litrature please interpret in its orignal form and dont attribute every thing under the sun to vedic relegion thereby being a laughing stock to everybody.

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    1. Mr. Rajendra, you are making a joking comment here. Have you opened and read the Siribhuvalaya at least once? There are not hundreds, but thousands of references in Siribhuvalaya quoting the authenticity of Vedas and how the Siribhuvalaya is derived from the principles of Vedas. Ofcourse it has included the practices of Jainism. By the way, the Jainism has the roots in Vedas and the Jain epic like Shatkhandagama, GommataSara, Dhavalas, Tiloyapannati, etc., have the Vedic roots.

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    2. mr vijnasu for your kind information Jainism is an independent non vedic shramana religion, which ran parallal to vedic relegion. please come out of the illusion that indian culture arises from vedas. there were non vedic thought process going on as an undercurrent along with vedic school of thought which was called as shramana movement, which later on got divided into many fragments. buddhism and jainism are the two shramana thoughts alive till date. they are from nonvedic traditions thus shankara rightly pointed them as nastika traditions. they are as old as vedic traditions running parallely .kumudendu was undoubtedly a jain monk so dont try to hijack his works as though they are from vedas which you people are expert in . his works are in number code form and it is easy to interpret as per ones own narrative.

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    3. Mr. Rajendra, Jainism is derived from Naatha Sampradaaya which is derived from Vedas. Almost all the Tirthankarans are from Naatha Sampradaaya. Jainism is a part of same tradition. Proof for that is evident in several cultural and ritualistic similarities. From 200-300 years, the anti-vedic mindset is imbibed in the common public. Kumudendu is from the Yaapaniya sect who practice Vedas. Everything is derived from Vedas and it is authentically claimed and proved by Kumudendu muni in Siribhuvalaya. I request you to study Vedas for 12 years and Siribhuvalaya for 12 years under the guidance of proper expert gurus in both the areas. Do you have 3rd Khanda and 8th Khanda of Siribhuvlaya? If so open it and read, how to interpret the Siribhuvalaya, it is written there. This is revealed by a Vedic monk from Himalayas. Come out of ignorance and do proper study before commenting in public.

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    4. jainism derived from shramana parampara and not natha parampara, as natha parampara itself was evolved after period of shankaracharya ie around 10 th to 12th century

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    5. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nath

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    6. yapaniya sect is one of the sects of jainism who follow both digambra and shwetambara texts they were later on absorbed to digambara jainism it was prevelent in north and costal karnataka. they were bit secular in nature ie they allowed their shisya ganas to pay respects to vedic demi gods. sonde jaina matha and karkala jaina matha kavi ratnakara vARNI belonged to yapaniya sect of jainism.

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    7. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yapaniya

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    8. Mr. Rajendra, we pity on your ignorance. If you don't know Naatha Sampradaaya, come to akhaada in M.P. and learn. Almost all your Teerthankara's name ends with 'Naatha' which is one proof. Naatha Sampradaaya is from Vedas. Sramana is the word derived from Vedas. Age of Vedas is equal and greater than the age of Earth, because it is not some text written by someone, it is the basic "WAVE PATTERN" represented in the syllables during Tapasya. If you are not believer of this, you are free to walk away in your path.

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    9. Mr. Rajendra Yapaniyas have been looked upon as a heretic creed by some Digambara writers. Indranandi, in his Nitisara, (verse 10) includes them under five false sects :
      Gopucchikaah Shvetavaasaa DraaviDo Yaapaniyakah |
      Nihpinchashceti panchaite Jainaabhaasaah prakirtitaah |
      Why Yaapaniyaas are classified as false sects in spite there are lot of inscriptions, stories, literature, personalities related to them? It is none other than the reason of following the Vedic path. They were the followers of Tantra and Aagama which were basically derived from Vedas. The clear practices of Shaiva, Kaalamukha, Shaakta, etc., were adopted by them. They used to wear Jinavaara which is equivalent to Janivaara (Yajnopavita = sacred thread) and had Sandhyavandanam. All these practices are noted in Siribhuvalaya too. Don’t quote useless wikipedia or online links. I can quote hundreds of them and put thousands of questions against the practices present now which are totally deviated from Jainism. Make a depth study before you ink.

      The basic meaning of the term Yaapaniya is a question by itself. Various spellings are available for it: Yaapaniya, Jaapaniya, Yapani, Aapaniya, Yaapuliya, Aapuliya, Jaapuli, Jaavuliya, Jaaviliya, Jaavaliya, also Jaavaligeya. Different interpretations are already offered, tracking it back to the root ‘yaa’ with the causal suffix. Yaapaniya is also explained – “as those who wandered about without being stationary”. This is one of the important vrataas of Parivraajaka in Naata Sampradaaya. In early texts like the Pravachanasaara, two types of Teachers are mentioned: pavvajjaa-daayaga and nijjaavaga. The duty of the nijjaavaga is to re-establish a defaulter-monk in the correct behaviour. His function is that of controlling and correctly piloting a novice: the Sanskrit equivalent should be nir-yaamaka rather than nir-yaapaka. The term javaNijja is used in more than one sense in early Jaina texts. In the Naayaadhammakahaao, there is the expression iMdiya-javaNijje. Here javaNijje cannot be from yaapaniya, but from ‘yamaniya’, going back to the root yam to control. We may compare also thavaNijja standing for ‘sthaapaniya’. So Yaapaniya is not the correct Sanskritisation, though a catching back-formation. So the javaNijja monks (called Yaapaniya) are those who lead life of ‘yama-yaama’; compare in this context the ‘yama’ of Patanjali Yoga Sutra which is derived from Vedas.

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    10. mr vijnasu ji the diff of opinion between shwetambaras digambaras yapaniyas and other sects of jains is internal matter of jains and outsiders have no business to interfere, it seems you are taking advantage of this fact and unsuccessfully portray sharamana muni kumudendhu as a vedic rishi you are going to fail miserably. such differences are common in all the religions, Islam has 72 sects Christianity has 2 major ones Buddhism has 3 sects and Hinduism we know how many sects they have and its common for people of diff sects to degrade each other. critisicem by rival sects dosent make yapaneeyas lesser jains. the hard fact is they belong to nastika shramana jaina parampara. as far as patanjali is concerned he heavily borrowed from jainism as he belonged to post mahaveera period and he reluctantly believed in vedic system so much so that he proclaimed that god may or may not be used as a tool to attain samadhi. please google patanjali and find out the fact for yourself

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  6. Mr. Rajendra, let us answer to your comment in series of replys. Hold on your breath in tight till it is completed in series.

    Vedas are Apaurusheya, There’s NO History in Them
    BY SANJEEV NEWAR - December 20, 2017

    There is not one single historical evidence of Vedas being composed. There is not one evidence of Vedas being evolved or grown in size. There is not one evidence of Atharva Veda being written later or Rig Veda being written first.

    As per historical records, all we know is that Vedas are old as available history. And exist till today in same form as earlier.

    The way they date Vedas is a big fraud. They make assumptions that if certain geographical words or names come in Vedas, they must be about some historical place or person.

    Stand Up Comedians use this technique to prove that Rajiv Gandhi is Gautam Buddha because his son is called Rahul. And Lord Krishna was born in same era as Buddha because there is a politician called Lal Krishna Advani.

    The Hindu view is that Vedas are Apaurusheya (unchanging, unwritten, eternal wisdom from Supreme). Yes, skeptics may claim this is unreasonable because this demands believing in a Supreme. And history must be an atheist subject.

    But then origin of life and humans is more unacceptable because they too have no reasonable explanations.

    Yes, existence of Vedas are in themselves a clue to theism. But even if you are skeptic, the best you can argue is that we have no evidence currently to reasonably date Vedas. Admit with humility your inability.

    Instead, entire history gang wants to take revenge on Vedas because Bible and Quran are found to contain superstitions. And 2000 years of invasion in name of religion must be justified by calling the oldest civilization of world a creation of tribals called Aryans who invaded India!

    Archeology is a big hoax. What these archeologists do is create entire structure of humanoid in diagrams merely from a biig tooth like stone they discover in one place. There are several excellent resources on net available which discuss these hoaxes in detail.

    Basically, the modus operandi of archaeologists suffer from very serious flaws: they have scratched not even .1% of entire earth surface and yet make tall claims, they forget that decay of organic/inorganic things they expect to discover can be much more severe than what their simple maths calculations predict. their dating methods are at best grossly inaccurate, their conjecture that any object could be tooth or bone is highly based on imaginations alone.

    Please read http://www.pathlights.com/ce_encyclopedia/sci-ev/sci_vs_ev_TOC.htm for a good detailed review among many available from scholars.

    Thus ceteras paribus, there is no evidence whatsoever to prove that Vedas were not revealed and plethora to prove that they are revealed.
    This fact of revelation of Vedas is the core foundation of our culture. The moment you try to shake it, you would foolishly put yourself in same category as Islam or Christianity. Any difference with them then becomes only a temporary political issue and not one based on sound logic and reason. The whole of so-called Hindutva and culture movement then falls flat. Because if none is ultimate truth, how you justify that some other psycho, rapist, murderer, jehadi etc is wrong and you are right. Afterall in that case, everyone is equally worng and equally right.

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  7. Mr. Rajendra, Karnataka, a state in South India has a long association with Jainism, a religion which enjoyed patronage of major historic kingdoms in the state such as the Western Ganga, Kadamba and Chalukya dynasties and the Hoysala Empire. Today the state is home to a number of Jain monuments, such as temples, Gommata statues and stambhas. Jain Kings ruled the different parts of India and in special Karnataka we find several dynasties coining some cultural significance where Jains were a part of the same. We find several grants provided by rulers to "Yaapaniyaas" in Karnataka and other states. We also see some contributions of Yaapaniyaas in the literature. If Jainism don't have rights to rule in India or Karnataka then we do agree that we don't have right to question some foreign religion. But Jainism and Yaapaniyaas played a role in our states, we have Right to equality, Right to freedom, Right against exploitation, Right to freedom of religion, Cultural and Educational Right, and Right to constitutional remedies as fundamental rights of independent and republic India. So you have no right to say that Yaapaniyaas are constrained to internals of Jainism and raise objection about its discussion.

    Jainism itself is considered as a school of atheism with respect to Indian Darshanas, you are saying Yaapaniyas as Naastikaas. The fact is that the Yaapaniyaas were followers of Vedas, Yajnas and Tantras of Hinduism is made hidden by modern Jain scholars. But there are references in inscriptions and grant letters about them, their beliefs and practices. If modern physical historical evidences are substantiated for Jainism and as claimed by so called teachings of Mahaveera, the Jainism flourished as a rebel against the animal sacrifices and other improper practices in Hindus, then it proves that Hinduism prevails the Jainism.

    Michele Desmarais summarizes a wide variety of dates assigned to Yogasutra, ranging from 500 BCE to 3rd century CE, noting that there is a paucity of evidence for any certainty. She states the text may have been composed at an earlier date given conflicting theories on how to date it. The Yogasutra forming the part of Vedanta school clearly rejects some of the philosophical claims of Jainism and Buddhism. So there is no way of derivation of Yoga sutras from Jainism. And Yoga sutras didn't appear all of a sudden. Yoga is from Vedas which cannot be dated; reasons being quoted before.

    (contd..)

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  8. Mr. Rajendra, Now your phrase like "Yaapaniyaas are lesser Jains, they are from naastika Jaina parampara.." clearly shows that they were against the principles of Jainism. Vedantic schools were also against the philosophies of Jainism and Buddhism. When Jains are called as Naastikaas by Hindus, obviously Jains will call Hindus as Naastikaas, so the Yaapaniyas who followed Nigamaagama. Clear evidences are there in Siribhuvalaya. Siribhuvalaya is not a patented resource of Jainism. It cannot be patented because hundreds of Hindu experts also contributed to the creation of Siribhuvalaya in collaboration with the Yaapaniya Muni Kumudendu. Even if you patent, nobody can stop the growth and sharing of knowledge. Siribhuvalaya is not a pure Jain text, but an aggregation of 363 everlasting Dharmas. Kumudendu had made Rigveda and its mathematics as base and undoubtedly declared that Rigveda is the ultimate guide for all sources of knowledge. If you are not able to see it or even trying to hide it, come of out of that non-productive effort. This is the main reason why the Siribhuvalaya was made hidden in the Jain MaTas. Now, the case is reverse, all these hidden things are already published from a decade or two. People are educated enough to make decisions of their own, there is no guidance required from the false path propagators like you. Study Siribhuvalaya from an open mind set for 12 years in continuous. Do Tapasya on the words of Siribhuvalaya without any prejudice, you will know the truth by yourself. I recommend you and your other pushed commentators to follow this or you are free to walk out of this blog and follow what you believe. As much as you suppress the truth, it will try to explode similar to the compression of gas in a concealed cylinder.

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  9. vijnasu ji i have never questioned the antiquity of Vedas, what i want to say is that along with Veda non vedic thought process were running parallel called as shramana parampara both these processes form the ethos of Indian culture. they are like two eyes of a person kumudendhu muni was from shramana jaina yapaniya parampara, so please interpret his works in the way he wants it to express and not in any other way.

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    1. There is no such a thing called non-vedic in the philosophical world. All the core principles of all the philosophies are derived form Vedas and they modify according to their needs and many a times gets distorted. Saankhya, Yoga, Karma Siddhanta, etc., are all derived from Vedas which is eternal, exists from the time immemorial, all time all place truth! If you go against truth, its nothing but falsity, there may be fuzzy state which is non other than confusion. But the basic principle of Veda which is Naada = Divya Dhwani which is in subtle wave format. Kumudendu muni is talking about these. Your claims are clashing ones. First you people claim that Jainism is oldest one and predates Vedas. When we refute your ignorance about Vedas as you haven’t studied it at all, you people say that Jainism and Vedic path are two eyes of a person. When the concept of eye is to provide single vision (Advaita) in spite of having two eyes, why are you prejudiced by two split views (Dwaita) and confused with mixture of several paths (Anekanta)? Check the other articles in this blog claiming the minimum 9 meanings and maximum 9x9=81 meanings emerging out of each poem of Siribhuvalaya with its mathematical formulas. We have provided one way of interpretation from those 9-81. We didn’t object you to provide your way of interpretation. Let us know how as Mr. Rajendra, how many interpretations you have done on Siribhuvalaya and provide the links to read them. Don’t provide the links to somebody else’s work which is online and we have seen almost all of them. Show your originality. And don’t be jealous about the interpretations given here which are according to the 84 basic formulas provided by Muni himself at the end of Siribhuvalaya as narrated by a monk from Himalayas using his divine power of Tapasya. You are free to interpret it in your Jainism or Naastik or Buddhism or any other way which is useful to the society.

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  10. ಪೂರ್ಣವಾಗಿ ಗಮನಿಸಿದೆ. ಎಲ್ಲರ ಎಲ್ಲರೀತಿಯ ತಪ್ಪು ಗ್ರಹಿಕೆಗಳಿಗೂ ಸೂಕ್ತವಾದ, ಸಮಂಜಸವಾದ, ಸಮರ್ಪಕವಾದ ಸಂಕ್ಷಿಪ್ತವಾದ ಪ್ರತ್ಯುತ್ತರಗಳನ್ನು ನೀಡಿರುವುದಾಗಿದೆ. ಯಾವುದೇ ಪೂರ್ವಾಗ್ರವಿಲ್ಲದೇ, ವಿಚಾರಗಳನ್ನು ಮನನಮಾಡಿಕೊಳ್ಳುವ ಪ್ರಾಮಾಣಿಕ ಆಕಾಂಕ್ಷೆ ಹೊಂದಿರುವವರಿಗೆ ಅತ್ಯಗತ್ಯವಾದ ಆಧಾರಪೂರ್ವಕವಾದ ಮಾಹಿತಿಗಳು ಇಲ್ಲಿ ಉತ್ತರರೂಪದಲ್ಲಿ ಹೊರಹೊಮ್ಮಿರುವುದು ನನಗೆ ನೆಮ್ಮದಿ ತಂದಿದೆ. ಉತ್ತರವನ್ನೊಪ್ಪದಿರುವವರು, ತಮ್ಮದೇ ವಾದಕ್ಕೆ ಗಂಟುಬೀಳುವವರು ಈ ಚರ್ಚೆಯಿಂದ ಹೊರಗುಳಿದು ತಮ್ಮ ದಾರಿಹಿಡಿಯಲು ನೀಡಿರುವ ಆಹ್ವಾನ ಸೂಕ್ತವಾಗಿದೆ. ಕುದುರೆಯನ್ನು ಕೆರೆಯಸಮೀಪ ಕರೆದೊಯ್ದು ನೀರಿನಲ್ಲಿ ನಿಲ್ಲಿಸಬಹುದು. ಅದಕ್ಕೆ ಬಲವಂತವಾಗಿ ನೀರನ್ನು ಕುಡಿಸಲಾಗದು! ತಪಸ್ಸದೃಷವಾಗಿ ಸುಮರು ೩೫ ವರ್ಷಗಳ ಸಾಮೀಪ್ಯದಿಂದ ಸಿರಿಭೂವಲಯದಲ್ಲಿ ಕುಮುದೇಂದು ಮುನಿಯು ನಿರೂಪಿಸಿರುವ ’ಹೊಸಮಾನವರ ಸೃಷ್ಟಿಗೆ ಕಾರವೆಂದು ಭೂವಲಯವು ಹೇಳಿರುವ ಮಹಿಮೆ’ ಯನ್ನು ನಾನು ನೋಡಿದ್ದಾಗಿದೆ. ಅದರ ಅನುಭವದಲ್ಲಿ ಇಲ್ಲಿನ ವಾದ- ಪ್ರತಿವಾದಗಳನ್ನು ನಿಧಾನವಾಗಿ ಓದಿ ಅರ್ಥಮಾಡಿಕೊಂಡಿದ್ದೇನೆ. ವಿವೇಕಿಗಳಿಗೆ ಇಲ್ಲಿನ ಮಾಹಿತಿಗಳಿಂದ ಸಿರಿಭೂವಲಯದ ಸಾಕಷ್ಟು ಪರಿಚಯವಾಗುತ್ತದೆ. ಇದು ಅರ್ಥವಾಗದವರು; ಒಪ್ಪದವರು ಏನುಹೇ:ಳಿದರೂ ಒಪ್ಪಲಾರರು. ಅಂಥವರನ್ನು ಒಪ್ಪಿಸುವ ವ್ಯರ್ಥಸಾಹಸ ನಮಗೆ ಬೇಡ. ನಮಗೆ ಕಂಡದ್ದನ್ನು ನಾವು ತಿಳಿಸೋಣ; ಅವರಿಗೆ ಕಾಣದೇ; ಕಂಡಿರುವೆವೆಂದು ಭಾವಿಸುವುದನ್ನು ಅವರು ತಿಳಿಸಲಿ; ಪ್ರಜ್ಞಾವಂತರು ಎರಡನ್ನೂ ಓದಿನೋಡಿ, ಯಾವುದು ಸಮರ್ಪಕವೆಂಬುದನ್ನು ನಿರ್ಧರಿಸಲಿ. ಇಲ್ಲಿವಾದಿಸುವವರಿಗೆ ಕನ್ನಡ ಭಾಷೆಯ ಪರಿಚಯವಿಲ್ಲದಿರಬಹುದು. ಈ ಕಾರಣದಿಂದಾಗಿ ಇದನ್ನು ಸಾಧ್ಯವಾದರೆ, ಇಂಗ್ಲಿಷಿಗೆ ಭಾವಾನುವಾದಮಾಡಿ ಪ್ರಕಟಿಸಬೇಕಾಗಿ ವಿನಂತಿ. ಸಿರಿಭೂವಲಯದಸುಧಾರ್ಥಿ. ೧೮-೦೬-೨೦೧೯.

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  11. mr vijnasu naastika is an hounarable word for us we jains are proud to be nastikas so its an honour that yapaniyas were from naastika jaina parampara like digambaras and shwetambaras

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  12. muslim apologist say there is only one allah and Koran is his sacred book.cristian apologists say jesus is the only saviour and all others are false. and yourself says that there is only veda and all other are its subordinates. unfortunately by justifying the unjustifiable you have degraded yourself to the level of abrahamic religion apologists very sad situation indeed. your these statements will not change the truth that kukudendhu is a jaina muni of yapaniya sampradaya, shramana parampara is an eternanal non vedic parampara. bharathiya smaskriti includes both vedic and nonvedic paths

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    1. Islam grew upon Zaratushtas who were Vedic and Christians from Toras which is none other than from Vedic path. They declare their god as single because it is the core belief of Vedas which is captured as Advaita in Vedantic schools. I am follower of Vedas and even Kumudendu is Yaapaniya and follower of Vedas. So we are like friends sharing common interest. I challenge you that you haven't read and understood even single verse of Siribhuvalaya, that's why you are prejudiced by the external influence that it is only from Jainas. Read the other articles in this blog related to Siribhuvalaya where proofs of Rigvedic derivations of Siribhuvalaya is furnished.

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  13. vijnasu ji you are putting words into my mouth never did i say that yaapaniyas are lesser jains what i said was kumudendhu belonged to naastika jaina parampara of yaapaniya sect the way acharya kunda kunda belonged to naastika jaina parampara of digambara moolasangha sect and sthulabbhadra suri is from shwetambara tradition of naastika jaina dharma. hera naastika means we dont accept the athuority of vedas. and dont belive in a creator universe. we belive in eternal universe with no creator.

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    1. It is sad for me to quote your words once again - "Yaapaniyas belonged to Naastika Shramana Jaina Parampara". Now your phrase show that there are different words viz. Naastika + Shramana + Jaina + Parampara. When Jaina itself is classified as Naastika you are stressing the Yaapaniyas as Naastika Shramana Jaina Parampara. This gives the reader a view that Yaapaniyaas are Naastikas among the Shramana Jaina Parampara. Now coming back to the quotes said before -

      Yapaniyas have been looked upon as a heretic creed by some Digambara writers. Indranandi, in his Nitisara, (verse 10) includes them under five false sects :
      Gopucchikaah Shvetavaasaa DraaviDo Yaapaniyakah |
      Nihpinchashceti panchaite Jainaabhaasaah prakirtitaah |

      Already your texts keep out Yaapaniyas as false sects. Yaapaniyaas are not honoured, but they are sidelined.

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  14. It is sad for me to quote your words once again - "Yaapaniyas belonged to Naastika Shramana Jaina Parampara". Now your phrase show that there are different words viz. Naastika + Shramana + Jaina + Parampara. When Jaina itself is classified as Naastika you are stressing the Yaapaniyas as Naastika Shramana Jaina Parampara. This gives the reader a view that Yaapaniyaas are Naastikas among the Shramana Jaina Parampara. Now coming back to the quotes said before -

    Yapaniyas have been looked upon as a heretic creed by some Digambara writers. Indranandi, in his Nitisara, (verse 10) includes them under five false sects :
    Gopucchikaah Shvetavaasaa DraaviDo Yaapaniyakah |
    Nihpinchashceti panchaite Jainaabhaasaah prakirtitaah |

    Already your texts keep out Yaapaniyas as false sects. Yaapaniyaas are not honoured, but they are sidelined.

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  15. naastika is word used by none other than shankara to denote non vedic dharshanas ie boudha jaina ajivakas . shramanas are moola paramara of jaina boudha and ajiavskas and jaina you already know the meaning. it seems you are contradicting adi shankara who has in his shastra divided bharatiya parampara indo astika and nastika groups relation ship between yapaniyas and digambaras are internal matter of jains which dosent give you consent to misinterpret their scripts once again i say that yapaniyas are an imp sect of jainism whatever dfiierences we have is in interpreting jaina dwadashanga sutras and purvas and jaina agamas, the way vaishnavaites and shaivas have diff of openion in interpreting hindu scritures it dosent in any way make either of the sects lesser hindus.

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    1. Mr. Rajendra Yapaniyas have been looked upon as a heretic creed by some Digambara writers. Indranandi, in his Nitisara, (verse 10) includes them under five false sects :
      Gopucchikaah Shvetavaasaa DraaviDo Yaapaniyakah |
      Nihpinchashceti panchaite Jainaabhaasaah prakirtitaah |
      Why Yaapaniyaas are classified as false sects in spite there are lot of inscriptions, stories, literature, personalities related to them? It is none other than the reason of following the Vedic path. They were the followers of Tantra and Aagama which were basically derived from Vedas. The clear practices of Shaiva, Kaalamukha, Shaakta, etc., were adopted by them. They used to wear Jinavaara which is equivalent to Janivaara (Yajnopavita = sacred thread) and had Sandhyavandanam. All these practices are noted in Siribhuvalaya too. Don’t quote useless wikipedia or online links. I can quote hundreds of them and put thousands of questions against the practices present now which are totally deviated from Jainism. Make a depth study before you ink.

      Aastika and Naastika are not the words invented by Shankara. They did exist from the time immemorial. He used those in his arguments. Wikipedia is not an ultimate source of knowledge
      Anybody can have a team and edit them as per their wish. Do you know the etymology or Vyutpatti of the word Aastika or Naastika? If not you may keep quite in these grammatical topics.

      See first of all you stressed on Yaapaniyas as Naastikas and when your words seem conflicting, you tried to say that all Jains are Naastikaas and Yaapaniyas are a part. Hey man, come out of your prejudiced mindset and recall that you are living in independent India where everybodu has rights to question. If not the Triple Talaq kind of improper practices wouldn't have been stopped by law.

      Since you pretend to not understand the sentences given here, I have to repeat them. I have more than 2000 pages of discussion resources about Yaapaniya who were against many practices of main sects of Jaina Viz. Digambara and Swethambara. Siribhuvalaya is not the property of Jains. It has 363 paths of religion (Matas) elaborated and discussed. He has propounded of humanity and equality in gods like Shiva, Vishnu, Jina, Brahma. Since you people are ignorant about Siribhuvalaya due to lake of studies you wouldn't have seen the Yajna procedures, Tantric pooja procedures, Sandhyavandana ritual, Mantras from Vedas quoted in Siribhuvalaya. It is an encyclopedia. Don't wrote rubbish comments. Unnecessary discussions won't be entertained. If you have guts, translate every poem of 9 Khandas of Siribhuvalaya you people have hidden in Jaina MaTas.

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